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PostSubject: counter   Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:39 pm

can we use counter trap even if jinzo is on the field? ...jus asking cos i unsure... as i thought that speed 2(jinzo) cannot negate speed 3(solemn judgement)
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PostSubject: Re: counter   Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:52 pm

i doubt you can cause when jinzo is on the field
no trap card can be activate
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PostSubject: Re: counter   Sat Aug 02, 2008 12:12 am

You cannot "chain" to a continuous effect as there is no chain being passed around. Since you cannot chain, continuous effect remains on the field, Jinzo's effect prevents you from starting a chain through a trap effect. Hence, you cannot use any trap. BTW, Jinzo's effect is NOT speed 2; its a continuous effect.
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PostSubject: Re: counter   Sat Aug 02, 2008 1:14 am

i thought all effect,trap or magic has speed?? if not...he speed 1?
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PostSubject: Re: counter   Sat Aug 02, 2008 1:19 am

JINZO effect is all trap cards cannot be activated.
So u cant even activate trap(s) after jinzo resolve on the field, cos u cant activate any traps, even counter.

lol y i tink im repeating the same ting...
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PostSubject: Re: counter   Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:38 am

Trigger/Ignition effects are speed 1
Multi-trigger aka quick effects are speed 2
Continuous effect does not have a speed and hence, it cannot be chained upon.

If continuous effect is speed 1 or 2, then you could have chained something to Jinzo, but the fact says that you CANNOT chain to a continuous effect. So, you can only start a chain with priority and NOT chain to a continuous effect.

Some monsters have effect that is continuous and has a trigger effect. At the moment, I can only think of Fossil Dyna Pachycephalo whom is not a very good example. FDP has a continuous effect that states you both player CANNOT special summon. This effect CANNOT be chained upon. However, the manual flip face-up effect that destroys all special summon monsters CAN be chained upon. You can chain this trigger effect with cards like Divine Wrath to negate the effect.

Similarly, some continuous trap card has ignition effects. These ignition effects can be chained upon, an example would be Royal Oppression. Some continuous trap has a trigger effect such as Macro Cosmos. These trigger effects can be chained upon.
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PostSubject: Re: counter   Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:50 am

ehh ur question is not clear

1) can i use counter trap when jinzo is summoned?
if u normal summon jinzo,opp can use solemn since speed3 + counter summoning PWN jinzo.

counter trap that can pwn jinzo for above scenario are
force back
solemn judgment
horn of heaven
etc.....

2) can i use counter trap as long as jinzo is on field?
if jinzo is on field,all trap are useless + cannot activate
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PostSubject: Re: counter   Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:01 am

Jess, I believe his question is can he play Speed 3 trap card because he believes Jinzo has a speed 2 effect.
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PostSubject: Re: counter   Sat Aug 02, 2008 11:21 am

jinzo effect doesnt have a speed.....its continuous 24/7 effect

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PostSubject: Re: counter   Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:30 pm

field effect dominates over spell speed effects.

jinzo if you can get it on your field without getting slapped with a solemn or forced back, ur opponent can't use traps unless he can get rid of your jinzo.
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PostSubject: Re: counter   Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:31 pm

lol y gt such question...
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PostSubject: Re: counter   Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:33 pm

y are u posting in such a topic ??

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PostSubject: Re: counter   Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:39 pm

jus quite funny to see this qns being posted,,,

when there already is a definite answer
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PostSubject: Re: counter   Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:43 pm

funny ppl like ask funny question ....like u

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PostSubject: Re: counter   Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:45 pm

yewsoon oso funny de...
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PostSubject: Re: counter   Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:53 pm

haha he joker...

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PostSubject: Re: counter   Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:11 pm

i batman...
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PostSubject: Re: counter   Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:16 pm

u fatman la....

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PostSubject: Re: counter   Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:22 pm

i robin.
Then teen titan!!!
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PostSubject: Re: counter   Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:49 pm

Don't spam pointless posts -.-
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PostSubject: Re: counter   Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:00 pm

where ???

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PostSubject: Re: counter   Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:40 pm

not pointless post, is jus that i got confuse by the speed thingy...i didn't know there is such thing as continous effect...so i got confuse by the speed 2 cannot negate speed 3 thingy
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PostSubject: Re: counter   Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:28 pm

Well.... Speed 2 cant negate Speed 3. Thats for sure. Just that Jinzo's effect is NOT speed 2, but continuous. Speed 2 effects are multi-trigger or multi-ignition (bad word, but I don't know of a better one). The effect can be activated during your opponent's turn. Cards like Sangan, Injection Angel Lily and Black Paladin are examples of Speed 2 monsters.
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PostSubject: Re: counter   Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:32 pm

lol players like to make it complicated

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PostSubject: Re: counter   Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:44 pm

can con ppl wif rulings!!!
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PostSubject: Re: counter   Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:45 pm

only ppl tat cannot win then con ppl with ruling

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PostSubject: Re: counter   Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:46 pm

ya u mean hu?

i can list examples like me myself haha
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PostSubject: Re: counter   Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:47 pm

dunno.. i dun have an example..

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PostSubject: Re: counter   Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:49 pm

i gt alot of example !!!

good rulings can con ppl!

like someone in this forum oso...
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PostSubject: Re: counter   Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:50 pm

DS huh..haha

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PostSubject: Re: counter   Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:56 pm

lol ididnt mention him but ya true.

i tink he didnt really intend to con ppl jus that ppl meet wif harder ruling they will suppose it be like tat..

example DMOC aka MOBC
reasoning plus chain spell(discard all cards from hand to chain to a normal magic, the normal magic can be used twice this turn after chain magic)

I saw his MOBC is summoned 1st but he took back a magic card from his grave even if chain magic is still resolving for the reasoning...

but this is so long ago ... nvm since its jus a KOF match.

On other matches he oso took back magics from MOBC in inappropraiate times but i cant say anyting jus told the audiences cos his opponent allowed.

This is wat we should not interupt. HAHA i oso cheat to be honest with rulings!!!
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PostSubject: Re: counter   Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:09 pm

pls la dun give so long ruling

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PostSubject: Re: counter   Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:31 pm

If im not mistaken, ur not allowed to take back the spells till reasoning and chain spell resolves.
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PostSubject: Re: counter   Thu Aug 07, 2008 12:10 am

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i gt alot of example !!!

good rulings can con ppl!

like someone in this forum oso...
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If you are good in ruling, you cant con people; unless you cheat. You are just there to lies to people this and that and people believe you because you are "good".
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PostSubject: Re: counter   Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:48 am

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If im not mistaken, ur not allowed to take back the spells till reasoning and chain spell resolves.

u are not mistaken... duh tats y i said u can con ppl wif rulings and i mentioned in inappropriate timing MOBC is useless...

posted so long liao still gt ppl answer back... when i had the answer posted...
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PostSubject: Re: counter   Thu Aug 07, 2008 4:33 pm

Aiyo... i play reasoning so long, first time hear people say dmoc cannot take back magic == can lah. just that after magic resolve lor. also not in chain what. Reasoning itself is in chain1 alr
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PostSubject: Re: counter   Thu Aug 07, 2008 7:07 pm

chain magic (or called continuous magic) : effect chain this to a NORMAL magic card in this case is reasoning, discard yr whole hand to activate.

NO WHEN MOBC IS SUMMONED 1ST U CANNOT ACTIVATE ITS effect as it is optional and chain magic is still resolving.

Unless the 1st monster is not MOBC then chain magic resolve and MOBC is summoned , then MOBC gets to use its effect.

does tat answer yr doubt?
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PostSubject: Re: counter   Thu Aug 07, 2008 7:54 pm

cheh, serial spell ah
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PostSubject: Re: counter   Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:04 pm

its oso called chained magic or continuous spell etc like LADD short name or other names
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PostSubject: Re: counter   Tue Aug 12, 2008 7:34 pm

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