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 A self-contradicting tuner and the abuse of scrap dragon?

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PostSubject: A self-contradicting tuner and the abuse of scrap dragon?   Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:24 pm

The key card : Vairon prism

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Vairon_Prism

This is the msn chat between me and [yugi boy a.k.a cj]



from the screenshot, you can see that he says that vairon cube is a mistake by konami and activating an optional effect monster when synchro summoning will miss timing. nvm, go to next screenshot.



from the screenshot, you can see that he says that synchro does not have a chain but the summoning is the last thing to resolve so it's a chain that come out of no where.



This part is the best, he says that varion though is a tuner, it's best not used for synchro summoning but as a target for scrap dragon. so scrap dragon is well worth over $20 now?

In conclusion : i would like to seek help from forumers if he is correct or wrong? i believe he is wrong as i don't believe konami will make a tuner that have an effect that clashing with using it for a synchro summon.
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PostSubject: Re: A self-contradicting tuner and the abuse of scrap dragon?   Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:57 pm

So the question is whether Vairon Prism mis-timing if used for synchro summoning?

チューナー(効果モンスター)
星4/光属性/雷族/攻1500/守1500
このカードがモンスターカードゾーン上から墓地へ送られた場合、
500ライフポイント払う事でこのカードを装備カード扱いとして

自分フィールド上に表側表示で存在するモンスター1体に装備する。
このカードの装備モンスターが戦闘を行う場合、
装備モンスターの攻撃力は、ダメージステップの間1000ポイントアップする。


Firstly, how can an infinite loop between this and Scrap Dragon happen? It had to be sent to graveyard from the MONSTER Zone to activate its equipping effect... NOT When its send to grave....

Also, read the jap text... it won't miss timing lah...

Quote :
このカードがモンスターカードゾーン上から墓地へ送られた場合、
500ライフポイント払う事でこのカードを装備カード扱いとして

Quote :
このカードをシンクロ素材とした場合、任意効果だが「場合」とあるためタイミングを逃さない。


場合 == won't miss timing even if the effect is optional...
時 == WILL miss timing if it isn't the last thing to resolve...


Ruling similar to Vairon Sphere:

Quote :
Q:アドバンス召喚やシンクロ召喚等で使用され墓地に送られた場合も、タイミングを逃さず効果発動できますか?
A:できます。(10/12/02)
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PostSubject: Re: A self-contradicting tuner and the abuse of scrap dragon?   Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:01 pm

pokekid88 wrote:
So the question is whether Vairon Prism mis-timing if used for synchro summoning?

チューナー(効果モンスター)
星4/光属性/雷族/攻1500/守1500
このカードがモンスターカードゾーン上から墓地へ送られた場合、
500ライフポイント払う事でこのカードを装備カード扱いとして

自分フィールド上に表側表示で存在するモンスター1体に装備する。
このカードの装備モンスターが戦闘を行う場合、
装備モンスターの攻撃力は、ダメージステップの間1000ポイントアップする。


Firstly, how can an infinite loop between this and Scrap Dragon happen? It had to be sent to graveyard from the MONSTER Zone to activate its equipping effect... NOT When its send to grave....

Also, read the jap text... it won't miss timing lah...

Quote :
このカードがモンスターカードゾーン上から墓地へ送られた場合、
500ライフポイント払う事でこのカードを装備カード扱いとして

Quote :
このカードをシンクロ素材とした場合、任意効果だが「場合」とあるためタイミングを逃さない。


場合 == won't miss timing even if the effect is optional...
時 == WILL miss timing if it isn't the last thing to resolve...


Ruling similar to Vairon Sphere:

Quote :
Q:アドバンス召喚やシンクロ召喚等で使用され墓地に送られた場合も、タイミングを逃さず効果発動できますか?
A:できます。(10/12/02)

yea, the qn is whether vairon will miss timing or not.

u can see from the ss of his awesome rulings, he die die insist will miss timing.
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PostSubject: Re: A self-contradicting tuner and the abuse of scrap dragon?   Tue Jan 25, 2011 6:19 pm

As if Doppel Warrior/Vairon Prism would miss its timing...
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PostSubject: Re: A self-contradicting tuner and the abuse of scrap dragon?   Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:55 pm

また、《シャインエンジェル》対応のレベル4チューナーのため、高レベルのシンクロモンスターへ繋げることも容易である。
 このカードをシンクロ素材とした場合、任意効果だが「場合」とあるためタイミングを逃さない。


Taken from here

In conclusion, timing will not be missed, due to the text 場合 on the card.
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PostSubject: Re: A self-contradicting tuner and the abuse of scrap dragon?   Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:23 pm

ok, thx all for the reply. thread can close alrd, thx all : )
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