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PostSubject: Re: Blackwing Deck- Help and Advice greatly appreciated!!!!   Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:29 pm

blackwings wrote:
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remove 2 etesian for gorz and sangan or smth...
sangan / grand mole / morphing jar ( its ur choice its a tech preference)

Yeah i do have grand mole and morphing jar. but they are ground type monsters, so i dun intend to put.

its ok if they're earth type monsters, u dun run allure right?
u can still sppecial summon dad....
x.x
grand mole is a good bouncer and morphing jar replenishes ur hand..

Yeah. I use bf treasure to substitute allure. BTW i am trying to keep my deck at 40. Any cards to + or - ?? If i add those cards suggested, it will be way abv 40 liao Shocked



- 1 breeze
- 2 sakuretsu or d prison
- 1 cal of haunted

+ grand mole/sangan/morphing jar
+ 3 d prison/ sakuretsu armor
+ royal opression
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PostSubject: Re: Blackwing Deck- Help and Advice greatly appreciated!!!!   Sun Nov 14, 2010 4:13 pm

Grand Mole for what? What is this I don't even... No. Just don't play it in BW.
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PostSubject: Re: Blackwing Deck- Help and Advice greatly appreciated!!!!   Sun Nov 14, 2010 4:27 pm

haha its a tech card lah basically. x.x
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PostSubject: Re: Blackwing Deck- Help and Advice greatly appreciated!!!!   Sun Nov 14, 2010 10:21 pm

body as a shield might help, maybe starlight also...
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PostSubject: Re: Blackwing Deck- Help and Advice greatly appreciated!!!!   Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:24 am

starlight road is side deck. my body can put, but i would side it instead :p my bf got put calm the shimmer (stor-jp009), quite a good defense card, and its lvl 4, so ur blizzard can pull it from graveyard to synchro. morphing jar not a must, but recommended, cuz ur hand will use very fast, unless you draw a black whirlwind in ur 1st turn.

as for lvl 8 synchro, i prefer using kochi and bora Smile the easiest way, although kochi can be quite useless when special summoned, but it can be tributed for ICARUS!!! or for swallow's nest XD other methods to lvl 8 synchro includes blizzard+ministral shield (pulled by blizzard) +bora or the new level 5 bf that can be special summoned by itself in 'stor' with gale Smile but bf dun focus on lvl 8s, only for stardust and colossal fighter if u ask me. so i dun see the point, lvl 6 and 7 are enuff.

as for trap stun, i'd rather u put cold wave or might as well dun put.

juz some personal opinions Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Blackwing Deck- Help and Advice greatly appreciated!!!!   Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:31 am

put in grand mole,might as well u go play some other control deck,juz play BF the regular way.

u hav icarus atk and stuff,what in thr world do u need my body as a shield for. and is book of moon fake? please
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PostSubject: Re: Blackwing Deck- Help and Advice greatly appreciated!!!!   Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:23 am

awesomehazelnuts wrote:
put in grand mole,might as well u go play some other control deck,juz play BF the regular way.

u hav icarus atk and stuff,what in thr world do u need my body as a shield for. and is book of moon fake? please

chill, personal preference and like i said, personal opinions Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Blackwing Deck- Help and Advice greatly appreciated!!!!   Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:45 am

starlight road can protect your card from cards like mirror force...personal view
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PostSubject: Re: Blackwing Deck- Help and Advice greatly appreciated!!!!   Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:48 am

thats y i put it in side deck Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Blackwing Deck- Help and Advice greatly appreciated!!!!   Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:59 pm

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starlight road is side deck. my body can put, but i would side it instead :p my bf got put calm the shimmer (stor-jp009), quite a good defense card, and its lvl 4, so ur blizzard can pull it from graveyard to synchro. morphing jar not a must, but recommended, cuz ur hand will use very fast, unless you draw a black whirlwind in ur 1st turn.

as for lvl 8 synchro, i prefer using kochi and bora Smile the easiest way, although kochi can be quite useless when special summoned, but it can be tributed for ICARUS!!! or for swallow's nest XD other methods to lvl 8 synchro includes blizzard+ministral shield (pulled by blizzard) +bora or the new level 5 bf that can be special summoned by itself in 'stor' with gale Smile but bf dun focus on lvl 8s, only for stardust and colossal fighter if u ask me. so i dun see the point, lvl 6 and 7 are enuff.

as for trap stun, i'd rather u put cold wave or might as well dun put.

juz some personal opinions Smile

Yeah Surprised But Kochi isnt useless at all. When pulled by Shura, it could easily synchro summon a Stardust Dragon. Btw i put trap stun as when activated at the right time, ur opponent could not mirror force or anything. But if u put cold wave, you will be at an disadvantage as u cannot set or play any spell or trap. But still, it is a personal preference Very Happy
And may I know the price of a rare Starlight Road and an English Secret Starlight Road??? And where can I get a rare Starlight Road?? As in shops? I mean singles. Cos shops in my area doesnt sell rare starlight road
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PostSubject: Re: Blackwing Deck- Help and Advice greatly appreciated!!!!   Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:26 pm

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Yeah Surprised But Kochi isnt useless at all. When pulled by Shura, it could easily synchro summon a Stardust Dragon. Btw i put trap stun as when activated at the right time, ur opponent could not mirror force or anything. But if u put cold wave, you will be at an disadvantage as u cannot set or play any spell or trap. But still, it is a personal preference Very Happy
And may I know the price of a rare Starlight Road and an English Secret Starlight Road??? And where can I get a rare Starlight Road?? As in shops? I mean singles. Cos shops in my area doesnt sell rare starlight road

You must be joking. Kochi cannot be used to Synchro even though Shura pulled it out. Because it was worded like Breeze, and it is known that Breeze even when pulled by Shura is unable to Synchro Summon for Black Rose Dragon. Trap Stun is quite bad in Blackwings because you yourself are unable to activate Icarus Attack on that turn.

Rare Starlight Road = around 8 or so.
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PostSubject: Re: Blackwing Deck- Help and Advice greatly appreciated!!!!   Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:41 pm

Trap stun is simply not needed the main deck. it may be good in the mirror where you can shut down opponent's icarus and other traps. the other deck which trap stun shines against is gladiator beasts where they are unable to activate chariot, prison, mirror force and all the cards which help them to gain control.just leave trap stun to the side deck. its not bad because you are unable to activate icarus, you basically have no need to activate icarus after you trap stun as any trap which you would chain icarus to would be negated by trap stun. its bad because it is only good against 2 decktypes.
oh and grand mole is crap. honestly. why would you waste your normal summon on a monster that doesn't give you advantage? its only good against synchros and oppresion/icarus/book of moon does that for you. dont bother about grand mole, its not personal preference its just a bad choice of tech cards. an example of a good tech card? spirit reaper. good for defending, gives you advantage when it scores a direct hit, unlike grandmole which just returns monsters.
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PostSubject: Re: Blackwing Deck- Help and Advice greatly appreciated!!!!   Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:57 pm

see... kochi IS not of much use >.< but still useful to a small extend Smile i rather u synchro brionic den grand mole >.<
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PostSubject: Re: Blackwing Deck- Help and Advice greatly appreciated!!!!   Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:16 am

xxn00biexx wrote:
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Yeah Surprised But Kochi isnt useless at all. When pulled by Shura, it could easily synchro summon a Stardust Dragon. Btw i put trap stun as when activated at the right time, ur opponent could not mirror force or anything. But if u put cold wave, you will be at an disadvantage as u cannot set or play any spell or trap. But still, it is a personal preference Very Happy
And may I know the price of a rare Starlight Road and an English Secret Starlight Road??? And where can I get a rare Starlight Road?? As in shops? I mean singles. Cos shops in my area doesnt sell rare starlight road

You must be joking. Kochi cannot be used to Synchro even though Shura pulled it out. Because it was worded like Breeze, and it is known that Breeze even when pulled by Shura is unable to Synchro Summon for Black Rose Dragon. Trap Stun is quite bad in Blackwings because you yourself are unable to activate Icarus Attack on that turn.

Rare Starlight Road = around 8 or so.

but then breeze's effect is negated...so why can't it be used to sychro summon blak rose ?
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PostSubject: Re: Blackwing Deck- Help and Advice greatly appreciated!!!!   Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:15 am

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xxn00biexx wrote:
blackwings wrote:

Yeah Surprised But Kochi isnt useless at all. When pulled by Shura, it could easily synchro summon a Stardust Dragon. Btw i put trap stun as when activated at the right time, ur opponent could not mirror force or anything. But if u put cold wave, you will be at an disadvantage as u cannot set or play any spell or trap. But still, it is a personal preference Very Happy
And may I know the price of a rare Starlight Road and an English Secret Starlight Road??? And where can I get a rare Starlight Road?? As in shops? I mean singles. Cos shops in my area doesnt sell rare starlight road

You must be joking. Kochi cannot be used to Synchro even though Shura pulled it out. Because it was worded like Breeze, and it is known that Breeze even when pulled by Shura is unable to Synchro Summon for Black Rose Dragon. Trap Stun is quite bad in Blackwings because you yourself are unable to activate Icarus Attack on that turn.

Rare Starlight Road = around 8 or so.

breeze's effect is a rule effect, means cannot be negated Smile

but then breeze's effect is negated...so why can't it be used to sychro summon blak rose ?
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PostSubject: Re: Blackwing Deck- Help and Advice greatly appreciated!!!!   Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:08 pm

I thought Shura could negate the effects of cards sp. summoned from the Deck? That means kochi and breeze's effect would be negated too >.< Btw what is rule effect, newbie here Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Blackwing Deck- Help and Advice greatly appreciated!!!!   Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:19 pm

hard to explain but cant means cant. i gt cheated out of the effect and lost one duel in a tournament as a result,i didnt ask abt the rulings and stuff abt it.
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PostSubject: Re: Blackwing Deck- Help and Advice greatly appreciated!!!!   Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:22 pm

tHEN is kochi's effect a rule effect??
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PostSubject: Re: Blackwing Deck- Help and Advice greatly appreciated!!!!   Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:47 pm

It is because Kochi and Breeze were worded so that it is a ruling, and you cannot negate it. Think of it as a condition. Anyway to answer your question, kochi CANNOT BE USED FOR A SYNCHRO SUMMON IF IT WAS SPECIAL SUMMONED, PERIOD.
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PostSubject: Re: Blackwing Deck- Help and Advice greatly appreciated!!!!   Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:07 pm

no nid so fierce to make a point,they r just kids.
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PostSubject: Re: Blackwing Deck- Help and Advice greatly appreciated!!!!   Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:57 pm

lols, chill bro >.< play longer and u'll noe wad is rule effect :O
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PostSubject: Re: Blackwing Deck- Help and Advice greatly appreciated!!!!   Tue Nov 16, 2010 10:33 pm

YuGiLoo wrote:
if can run vayu also..
its a good target for icarus...

Vayu, allure, sangan or morphing jar is good coz
1) Morphing jar can change a bad hand to a good one
2) As what YuGiLoo says, Vayu is great for icarus as not only does it helps to get ur vayu into the graveyard but also destroys 2 of ur opponent's creatures. then, vayu+sirroco FTW
3) allure to gain hand advantage and sangan to search out ur tuners.
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PostSubject: Re: Blackwing Deck- Help and Advice greatly appreciated!!!!   Tue Nov 16, 2010 10:38 pm

JBsolar18 wrote:
YuGiLoo wrote:
if can run vayu also..
its a good target for icarus...

Vayu, allure, sangan or morphing jar is good coz
1) Morphing jar can change a bad hand to a good one
2) As what YuGiLoo says, Vayu is great for icarus as not only does it helps to get ur vayu into the graveyard but also destroys 2 of ur opponent's creatures. then, vayu+sirroco FTW
3) allure to gain hand advantage and sangan to search out ur tuners.

Vayu yes because not only for Icarus, but for Shura to pull out and Synchro into Castratos.
Sangan maybe becuz he's a DARK and searches Blizzard/Vayu/Gale/Kalut.
Morphing Jar = no. Just no. Not even as a tech.
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PostSubject: Re: Blackwing Deck- Help and Advice greatly appreciated!!!!   Tue Nov 16, 2010 11:15 pm

as said by JBsolar18,morphing jar can giv u a good hand.

BUT,it can also give ur opponent a new fresh hand. and u dun really nid morphing jar in a BF deck. can use duality to get whirlwind and start the whole engine.

as for sangan,its quite ok in a BF deck,but i dun put it in as it is personal preference.
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PostSubject: Re: Blackwing Deck- Help and Advice greatly appreciated!!!!   Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:25 pm

TOld u i am a newbie here..zzzz. Btw may I ask is vayu's unable to sychro on field effect a rule effect too? Thanks for ur advice peepo
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PostSubject: Re: Blackwing Deck- Help and Advice greatly appreciated!!!!   Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:14 pm

Nope. Vayu is an effect, not a rule effect.
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PostSubject: Re: Blackwing Deck- Help and Advice greatly appreciated!!!!   Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:40 pm

xxn00biexx wrote:
JBsolar18 wrote:
YuGiLoo wrote:
if can run vayu also..
its a good target for icarus...

Vayu, allure, sangan or morphing jar is good coz
1) Morphing jar can change a bad hand to a good one
2) As what YuGiLoo says, Vayu is great for icarus as not only does it helps to get ur vayu into the graveyard but also destroys 2 of ur opponent's creatures. then, vayu+sirroco FTW
3) allure to gain hand advantage and sangan to search out ur tuners.

Vayu yes because not only for Icarus, but for Shura to pull out and Synchro into Castratos.
Sangan maybe becuz he's a DARK and searches Blizzard/Vayu/Gale/Kalut.
Morphing Jar = no. Just no. Not even as a tech.

For the matter, I know someone who was playing Morphing Jar in a BF deck and qualified to Day 2 of World Championship 2009, meaning he's top 8 of the event. Morphing Jar is a decent choice if you intend to spam your hand quickly for Synchros or aggressive moves. Not to mention it also allows you to refresh your hand should you draw into dead hands or start top-decking for cards. For that matter, if you carefully play to its strength, it should be a fine card. Of course there are the cons which comes at opponent being able to draw as well. Its about doing it right and at the right time. You're free to explore whatever you feel is decent, but of cause some of the guys at this thread who mainly netdecks without understanding the concepts or reasoning will only ask you to follow stereotypes blindly. The rest who truly knows what they are doing will tell you the cons and inform you to weigh it against its pros.

If you truly want to help, then perhaps you should review the tone and manner which you are offering your advice. But if you wish to inflate your ego on a deck discussion thread by a new player then you should go look at the value of your existence altogether.
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PostSubject: Re: Blackwing Deck- Help and Advice greatly appreciated!!!!   Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:03 pm

Well, thanks bro. I wanted to help, but it seems that I get screwed over for no good reason Neutral But really, it depends on the deck. For Blackfeathers, for starters, there are some things that you want to hold in your hand like Dark Armed Dragon or Kalut. But when you draw MJ, it's kind of dicey, as it not only drops these things that you want to store in your hand, but also, technically, against quite several decks, like Lightlords and Quickdandy, even if their hand size is bigger than yours, you just gave them a free dump + free draw 5.

Oh, and for the helping out new player's decks, at least I am taking some of my free time to post and try to help, regardless of how I sound like on the forum. Maybe if more duelists of your caliber help out in this section, it would be better for them.
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PostSubject: Re: Blackwing Deck- Help and Advice greatly appreciated!!!!   Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:03 am

Its good if your intentions are truly to help. I feel that rather than writing off the option which he is considering directly, it would do him better to understand why not and why yes. i.e. the pros and cons of the option. This way, you expand his knowledge and understanding.

The random nature of Morphing Jar has to be compensated with a different playstyle than the convention Pot of Duality BF. You have to go for more synchro oriented or extreme aggressive playstyle to compensate for the extra draws opponent has. Your techs and support cards has to fit in with that, which would probably see you main-ing Mind Control.

As for the idea of holding what cards u need, it will have to depend on the tactics that was adopted for the game. For starters, having a Morphing Jar revealed in game 1 of a duel will have the additional effect of forcing opponent to think extra hard when you set a monster. So you might benefit from setting, perhaps a Vayu together with a Delta Reverse. Next turn you flip it open and profit.
In addition, if you see you really need the Kalut or Dark Armed Dragon in hand, then probably you can hold back the Morphing Jar and have a look at the situation before deciding. No one can tell u what kind of scenario will you face.

If you are new, I suggest you try out more volatile strategies before following suit with the popular ones. So you can appreciate it better, and decide for yourself which is your preferred strategies.

I don't play Blackwings. In fact, I usually play the less popular decks. Those decks seldom get request for help on forums. Hence, I can't contribute much, even if I had the knowledge.

I decided to participate in this thread because I felt that you guys were on the principle of passing him a fish than to teach him how to fish. If anyone was offended, I apologise on that.

As for the mention of caliber, I'm just ordinary. We know of more talented players out there. Jeff, Bahamut and Benjamin, to name a few.
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PostSubject: Re: Blackwing Deck- Help and Advice greatly appreciated!!!!   Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:08 am

chill peeps, right time right card right technique = win Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Blackwing Deck- Help and Advice greatly appreciated!!!!   Sun Jan 02, 2011 6:05 pm

Hey, i tried builds with vayu and breeze, and i feel that breeze is better. cos vayu in the grave could only summon bf monsters, and the best bf sync is armour wing, but the effect's negated. so its kinda useless. although vayu do have its pros, like being sp summoned by shura and tributed for icarus, but breeze could sp summon itself with whirlwind and does not negate effects. but the prob is whirlwind is restricted to 1. so what do you guys think?

and which one do you think it is better? book of moon or enemy controller? though book could put opponent's monster in face down defense postion, which temporary negate face up effect monsters effect by flipping it face down, but enemy controller could put opponent's monster in defense position too, which means u dun get killed by its attack, and it is more flexible too. in dire circumstances, u could tribute 1 monster and control ur opponent's. so what do you guys think? newbie here. advice appreciated. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Blackwing Deck- Help and Advice greatly appreciated!!!!   Thu Jan 06, 2011 3:37 am

Run both book and enemy controller. Book prevents effects and synchros while controller stops attacks without using up your books. Controller can also be used to stop effects if you tribute a monster you control.

If you run both as well that's 6 cards that are hard to negate without heavy costs or secret village that help you build momentum and negate your enemies strategies. Even if they Solemn you you probably will have another sitting there and they'll waste half of their life points on a simple card that doesn't have a lot of value attached to it.

I prefer Breeze to Vayu but that's because I tend to use Shura's effect to get out Armor Master or even sometimes Silverwind. Vayu is mainly there for making Armed Wing or Armor Master if you run Raven.
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