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 Lightlord Monk Versus Snowman Eater

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PostSubject: Lightlord Monk Versus Snowman Eater   Mon Nov 08, 2010 12:31 am

Lightlord Monk:

If this card attacks a Defense Position monster, return that monster to its owner's Deck before damage calculation. During each of your End Phases, send the top 3 cards of your Deck to the Graveyard.

Extracted from Ruling:

Note that “Ehren, Lightsworn Monk” does not say “without flipping the monster face-up”. The effect of “Ehren, Lightsworn Monk” is applied after the monster is flipped face-up, but before damage calculation. If the Defense Position monster was face-down and has a Flip Effect, the Flip Effect will activate and resolve normally after it is returned to its owner's Deck.[1]



Snowman Eater:

When this card is flipped face-up, destroy 1 face-up monster on the field.


If lightlord Monk Attacks a facedown Snowman eater... does the effect of snowman eater activates? Since it isn't a FLIP effect monster but yet its effect is activated when flipped face up...

This qns arise after watching this vid...



Watch about 1min 40+ sec
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PostSubject: Re: Lightlord Monk Versus Snowman Eater   Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:03 am

if snowman flips then its effect should be activated, even if you flip it with ceasefire.

IMO the player in the video misplayed.

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PostSubject: Re: Lightlord Monk Versus Snowman Eater   Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:45 am

snowman has a pseudo-flip effect, meaning that it works like a flip effect monster but doesnt has the word "FLIP".

reasoning being, to avoid things like ceasefire, and nobleman of crossout.

so if ehren kicks him, she will be destroyed i think.
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PostSubject: Re: Lightlord Monk Versus Snowman Eater   Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:05 am

I read on jap wikia and it states that flip effect activates/resolves after damage calculation.

Quote :
戦闘によってリバースした場合、基本的にその発動と効果処理はダメージステップのダメージ計算後、フィールド上に表側表示で存在する状態で行われる。

But since Monk's effect activates before damage calculation, the flip effect monster is flip face up, kick back to deck 1st, then resolve it effect even though its back in the deck.

does snowman need to be on the field for it to resolve?
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PostSubject: Re: Lightlord Monk Versus Snowman Eater   Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:26 am

snowman does not need to be on the field to resolve since it doesnt state so we will jus do with it ba.
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PostSubject: Re: Lightlord Monk Versus Snowman Eater   Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:28 pm

okay...thanks
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PostSubject: Re: Lightlord Monk Versus Snowman Eater   Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:23 am

pokekid88 wrote:
I read on jap wikia and it states that flip effect activates/resolves after damage calculation.

Quote :
戦闘によってリバースした場合、基本的にその発動と効果処理はダメージステップのダメージ計算後、フィールド上に表側表示で存在する状態で行われる。


On side note
Does this mean it applies for flip effect too,like ryko, giving himself a chance to mill himself,
OR dun even activate?
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PostSubject: Re: Lightlord Monk Versus Snowman Eater   Sat Nov 13, 2010 10:49 am

ryko flip effect still activates.
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