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Jake Junior Duelist


Number of posts : 210 Age : 23 Location : Yishun Registration date : 2010-06-08
 | Subject: New Blackfeathers. V0.01 Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:48 am | |
| Hey guys, after seeing a comeback of the BFs from the Crow Duelist Pack, I've decided to replay my BFs. But I'm having problems. My deck is too over-sized and hope someone can slim it down even more. - Quote :
- HISTORY LOG: [19.10.10]
-2 Kochi The Day Break +1 Sirocco The Dawn +2 Pot of Duality -2 BF Treasure -1 Mind Control +1 Icarus Attack +1 Call of Haunted -2 D.Prison +1 Book of Moon +1 Blizzard Total: 43 -> 44 -> 45 -> 43.
Monsters:18 1x Dark Armed Dragon 3x Blackwing - Sirocco the Dawn 3x Blackwing - Shura the Blue Flame 3x Blackwing - Bora the Spear 3x Blackwing - Kalut the Moonlight 1x Blackwing - Vayu the Emblem of Honor 3x Blackwing - Blizzard the Far North 1x Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind 1x Blackwing - Zephyros the EliteSpells: 14 3x Pot of Duality 2x Mystical Space Typhoon 1x Allure of Darkness 1x Dark Hole 1x Monster Reborn 2x Book of Moon 1x Black Whirlwind 1x Giant TrunadeTraps:11 3x Icarus Attack 1x Call of Haunted 2x Bottomless Trap Hole 1x Mirror Force 1x Torrential Tribute 1x Solemn Judgment 1x Royal Oppression 1x Delta Crow - Anti ReverseTotal: 44. 1. I've cut down a Sirocco due to the fact I don't have another one. 2. I play 1 vayu as no one's selling me, I had to proxy 1. 3. I'm thinking of squeezing in 3 pots and 2 BF Treasure but there isn't enough space. (And it's costy)4. Anyone can tell me why Oppression is needed in BF? I put it in just because everyone else is. 5. Still finding another slot for Cold Wave. 6. Kochi is there to act as another target for Shura, so that it can sync into lvl 8. Mind advising me what I should do?  - [TXS] Jake.
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titration Judai Yuki


Number of posts : 2939 Age : 24 Location : Bishan Registration date : 2009-10-13
 | Subject: Re: New Blackfeathers. V0.01 Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:15 am | |
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XiaoCola Elite Duelist


Number of posts : 1426 Age : 24 Location : On The Moon. Registration date : 2009-02-07
 | Subject: Re: New Blackfeathers. V0.01 Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:04 pm | |
| Opression is main in BF as: -Vayu Get Through it. vayu activate effect Showing the bf u wanna "TUNE" with, however only during resolve, will the vayu and BIG BIRD be removed, thu no matter how many oppression ur opp pay,vayu will just stay in grave, till its effect is let passed.(QUite vague, but sorry, i aint good with words:]) -Blizzard get pass it(WITH Whirlwind N PROVIDED GOT target in deck) Blizzard will be able to make a chain with WW(Whirlwind) thus chain 1:blizzard chain 2:WW So no matter wad, ur opp will not be able to chain oppression to ur blizzard. thus the blizzards can pull PS: cannot synchro still, can oppress:( -Shura can use effect  -GALE AND BREEZE GO PASS IT. Nah,just kidding:P 101 reasons for oppression. it is still up to player style |
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Jake Junior Duelist


Number of posts : 210 Age : 23 Location : Yishun Registration date : 2010-06-08
 | Subject: Re: New Blackfeathers. V0.01 Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:20 pm | |
| - titration wrote:
- but why BF treasure?
Coz Duality stops SS, and BF Treasure also stops SS. Imagine u pull 1 Duality, then u have 3 BF treasure in hand. Instant +3 to hand size & -7 for deck slimming. And in the end also cannot SS. So use normal summon to def or attack, since kalut is not SS  - XiaoCola wrote:
- Opression is main in BF as:
-Vayu Get Through it. vayu activate effect Showing the bf u wanna "TUNE" with, however only during resolve, will the vayu and BIG BIRD be removed, thu no matter how many oppression ur opp pay,vayu will just stay in grave, till its effect is let passed.(QUite vague, but sorry, i aint good with words:])
-Blizzard get pass it(WITH Whirlwind N PROVIDED GOT target in deck) Blizzard will be able to make a chain with WW(Whirlwind) thus chain 1:blizzard chain 2:WW So no matter wad, ur opp will not be able to chain oppression to ur blizzard. thus the blizzards can pull PS: cannot synchro still, can oppress:(
-Shura can use effect

-GALE AND BREEZE GO PASS IT. Nah,just kidding:P
101 reasons for oppression. it is still up to player style
Awesume! Thanks for the tip! So basically they can keep trying to oppress but vayu and material will still remain in grave? Ic. So any suggests on slimming my deck? I'm thinking of 1 Kochi now. |
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blazingrogue Duelist


Number of posts : 97 Age : 27 Location : singapore Registration date : 2010-05-09
 | Subject: Re: New Blackfeathers. V0.01 Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:21 pm | |
| To put it in simpler words it isn't a cost to remove from play vayu to activate its effect so it will stay in the graveyard after the special summon is negated which allows you to activate its effect again until your opponent decides not to use oppression's effect.
Moreover its good against most meta decks, such as quickdraw dandy, gladiator beasts, lightlords(to an extent), herald which makes it a very viable option to run in a deck which it hinders to a relatively smaller extent.
i would replace both the treasure with pots as it gives a similar restriction yet gives you a choice unlike treasure which limits your options while having to remove a blackwing monster.
Also i would remove the 2 d-prisons for an additional icarus, as it is your main advantage gaining card by chaining it to bottomless/d-prison/mst/smashing etc. and either cold wave/book of moon/ divine warning(great card no kidding).
Im quite unsure about kochi and zephyros as i haven't actually tested it out yet but kochi does make mind control more live so you can just test it for now and just keep it in if it works well for you. Hope this helped =D |
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XiaoCola Elite Duelist


Number of posts : 1426 Age : 24 Location : On The Moon. Registration date : 2009-02-07
 | Subject: Re: New Blackfeathers. V0.01 Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:47 pm | |
| my best bet is to max off the sirrocco and the blizzard:D |
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egoboy Elite Duelist


Number of posts : 1056 Age : 22 Location : Harbourfront Registration date : 2009-11-15
 | Subject: Re: New Blackfeathers. V0.01 Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:54 pm | |
| what's kochi for? you still can't use it for a synchro summon even after being sp. summoned by shura.. |
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Jake Junior Duelist


Number of posts : 210 Age : 23 Location : Yishun Registration date : 2010-06-08
 | Subject: Re: New Blackfeathers. V0.01 Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:11 pm | |
| - egoboy wrote:
- what's kochi for? you still can't use it for a synchro summon even after being sp. summoned by shura..
Shura negates the effect. Kochi being unable to SS is not a condition, but rather an effect. http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Tips:Blackwing_-_Kochi_the_Daybreak PS. Even if it was a condition, still can use mind control for an easy synchro. |
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vampirerion Elite Duelist


Number of posts : 1981 Age : 1484 Location : France Registration date : 2010-06-21
 | Subject: Re: New Blackfeathers. V0.01 Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:08 pm | |
| - Jake wrote:
- egoboy wrote:
- what's kochi for? you still can't use it for a synchro summon even after being sp. summoned by shura..
Shura negates the effect. Kochi being unable to SS is not a condition, but rather an effect. http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Tips:Blackwing_-_Kochi_the_Daybreak
PS. Even if it was a condition, still can use mind control for an easy synchro.
Kochi: "If this card was Special Summoned, this card cannot be used as a Synchro Material Monster." this card cannot be usedCANNOT BE USED. Breeze: "If this card is added from your Deck to your hand by the effect of a Spell, Trap, or Monster Card, you can Special Summon this card. This card cannot be used as a Synchro Material Monster, except for the Synchro Summon of a "Blackwing" monster." This card cannot be used as a Synchro Material Monster, except for the Synchro Summon of a "Blackwing" monster. cannot be used |
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egoboy Elite Duelist


Number of posts : 1056 Age : 22 Location : Harbourfront Registration date : 2009-11-15
 | Subject: Re: New Blackfeathers. V0.01 Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:13 pm | |
| nvm he just probably didn't know about the ruling.. co's i only knew abt it today from pokekid. |
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Jake Junior Duelist


Number of posts : 210 Age : 23 Location : Yishun Registration date : 2010-06-08
 | Subject: Re: New Blackfeathers. V0.01 Mon Oct 18, 2010 11:13 pm | |
| - egoboy wrote:
- nvm he just probably didn't know about the ruling.. co's i only knew abt it today from pokekid.
Is there an official ruling to this? Anyway if Kochi's effect is a condition, is it worth to play it? Although it can also be synced with Bora when normaled. |
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pokekid88 Yugi Mutou


Number of posts : 3820 Age : 29 Location : SG Registration date : 2007-12-18
 | Subject: Re: New Blackfeathers. V0.01 Mon Oct 18, 2010 11:36 pm | |
| - Jake wrote:
- egoboy wrote:
- nvm he just probably didn't know about the ruling.. co's i only knew abt it today from pokekid.
Is there an official ruling to this? Anyway if Kochi's effect is a condition, is it worth to play it? Although it can also be synced with Bora when normaled.
kochi still got use de... example: * Even if this card was Special Summoned, you can still use it to Summon "Blackwing - Aurora of the Northern Lights". <-----LOL...who plays aurora anyway... Also, as u know, BF pretty emphasize on having at least 1 or more bf on the field for effect to activate (sp summon effect of gale/bora etc...) Example if u normal summon blast/shura and opp chain bottomless to it, u can swallow nest it to kochi mah... since kochi is atk 700, it evades bottomless....(LOL...) However, since konami likes to change their rullings very oftenly.. (example: dragunity alysx...) you guy can just pray they change the ruling of kochi again...LOL |
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Jake Junior Duelist


Number of posts : 210 Age : 23 Location : Yishun Registration date : 2010-06-08
 | Subject: Re: New Blackfeathers. V0.01 Mon Oct 18, 2010 11:49 pm | |
| - pokekid88 wrote:
- Jake wrote:
- egoboy wrote:
- nvm he just probably didn't know about the ruling.. co's i only knew abt it today from pokekid.
Is there an official ruling to this? Anyway if Kochi's effect is a condition, is it worth to play it? Although it can also be synced with Bora when normaled.
kochi still got use de...
example:
* Even if this card was Special Summoned, you can still use it to Summon "Blackwing - Aurora of the Northern Lights". <-----LOL...who plays aurora anyway...
Also, as u know, BF pretty emphasize on having at least 1 or more bf on the field for effect to activate (sp summon effect of gale/bora etc...) Example if u normal summon blast/shura and opp chain bottomless to it, u can swallow nest it to kochi mah... since kochi is atk 700, it evades bottomless....(LOL...)
However, since konami likes to change their rullings very oftenly.. (example: dragunity alysx...) you guy can just pray they change the ruling of kochi again...LOL
Haiyo. So mafan sia Konami. Don't think it's worth it to put in Kochi ler. So -2 Kochis. Anymore suggestions? |
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awesomehazelnuts Elite Duelist


Number of posts : 1819 Age : 22 Location : west beach,florida Registration date : 2010-06-19
 | Subject: Re: New Blackfeathers. V0.01 Tue Oct 19, 2010 12:05 am | |
| 43-2 = 41. thats more than enough in my opinion. |
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Jake Junior Duelist


Number of posts : 210 Age : 23 Location : Yishun Registration date : 2010-06-08
 | Subject: Re: New Blackfeathers. V0.01 Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:15 am | |
| - awesomehazelnuts wrote:
- 43-2 = 41. thats more than enough in my opinion.
Still no space for the 3rd Sirocco, the 2 more pots & 3rd icarus. Maybe -1 for BF Treasure? I find BF Treasure 60% of the time useful. |
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bishzor101 Senior Duelist


Number of posts : 680 Age : 25 Location : Singapore Registration date : 2008-11-29
 | Subject: Re: New Blackfeathers. V0.01 Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:33 am | |
| Dark Hole for side deck. Take away Mind Control |
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Jake Junior Duelist


Number of posts : 210 Age : 23 Location : Yishun Registration date : 2010-06-08
 | Subject: Re: New Blackfeathers. V0.01 Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:57 am | |
| - bishzor101 wrote:
- Dark Hole for side deck. Take away Mind Control
Why Dark Hole side? Why not include Mind Control? |
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XiaoCola Elite Duelist


Number of posts : 1426 Age : 24 Location : On The Moon. Registration date : 2009-02-07
 | Subject: Re: New Blackfeathers. V0.01 Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:54 am | |
| since u taking out cards and putting in cards, whye not update the thread. to allow us to see wad u change it to. |
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Jake Junior Duelist


Number of posts : 210 Age : 23 Location : Yishun Registration date : 2010-06-08
 | Subject: Re: New Blackfeathers. V0.01 Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:03 am | |
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bloodface Elite Duelist


Number of posts : 1354 Age : 23 Location : LOL LAND Registration date : 2009-10-03
 | Subject: Re: New Blackfeathers. V0.01 Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:32 am | |
| take out 1 pot of duality jam your hand later keep on cannot sp summon and take out all the bf treasure and d prison btw u can max the book of moon so tat your shura can safely whack the monster without having to scared about him discarding honest sry larh my eng damn fail |
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Jake Junior Duelist


Number of posts : 210 Age : 23 Location : Yishun Registration date : 2010-06-08
 | Subject: Re: New Blackfeathers. V0.01 Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:44 pm | |
| - bloodface wrote:
- take out 1 pot of duality jam your hand later keep on cannot sp summon and take out all the bf treasure and d prison btw u can max the book of moon so tat your shura can safely whack the monster without having to scared about him discarding honest sry larh my eng damn fail
Oh. But I think I need all the draw power I need. BF Treasure stack with Pot = +3 to hand. |
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Rex Senior Duelist


Number of posts : 934 Age : 27 Location : Toa Payoh Registration date : 2010-07-07
 | Subject: Re: New Blackfeathers. V0.01 Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:05 am | |
| u can put allure of darkness for draw powr.... |
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Jake Junior Duelist


Number of posts : 210 Age : 23 Location : Yishun Registration date : 2010-06-08
 | Subject: Re: New Blackfeathers. V0.01 Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:06 am | |
| - Rex wrote:
- u can put allure of darkness for draw powr....
Allure is already in there. |
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XiaoCola Elite Duelist


Number of posts : 1426 Age : 24 Location : On The Moon. Registration date : 2009-02-07
 | Subject: Re: New Blackfeathers. V0.01 Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:25 am | |
| i guess this is about it. just that u nid max out blizzard IMO. cos blizzard can change the tide with brionac, goyo, arms wing anyt is possible with it. |
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blazingrogue Duelist


Number of posts : 97 Age : 27 Location : singapore Registration date : 2010-05-09
 | Subject: Re: New Blackfeathers. V0.01 Wed Oct 20, 2010 12:45 pm | |
| you do know that you have to remove a blackwing monster for treasure right? so how is that a +3 when you use it? |
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Rex Senior Duelist


Number of posts : 934 Age : 27 Location : Toa Payoh Registration date : 2010-07-07
 | Subject: Re: New Blackfeathers. V0.01 Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:04 pm | |
| is it a good idea to put dimensional prison in bf deck ?? |
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Jake Junior Duelist


Number of posts : 210 Age : 23 Location : Yishun Registration date : 2010-06-08
 | Subject: Re: New Blackfeathers. V0.01 Wed Oct 20, 2010 8:47 pm | |
| - XiaoCola wrote:
- i guess this is about it.
just that u nid max out blizzard IMO. cos blizzard can change the tide with brionac, goyo, arms wing anyt is possible with it.
Have maxed out blizzard by taking out cold wave. - blazingrogue wrote:
- you do know that you have to remove a blackwing monster for treasure right? so how is that a +3 when you use it?
I put +3 is stack with Pot. I'm trying to say like slim the deck by 3. - Rex wrote:
- is it a good idea to put dimensional prison in bf deck ??
Already remove ler. |
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vampirerion Elite Duelist


Number of posts : 1981 Age : 1484 Location : France Registration date : 2010-06-21
 | Subject: Re: New Blackfeathers. V0.01 Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:46 pm | |
| aiyo y so stress be like xing you just go google up a deck and net it. |
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Jake Junior Duelist


Number of posts : 210 Age : 23 Location : Yishun Registration date : 2010-06-08
 | Subject: Re: New Blackfeathers. V0.01 Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:02 pm | |
| - vampirerion wrote:
- aiyo y so stress be like xing you just go google up a deck and net it.
Gathering info from various players makes the deck stronger! It's like my deck consist of many suggestions and duelist spirits! Have to thank you guys for upgrading this deck! |
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