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PostSubject: VaYU the BIG FLAG   Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:03 pm

The card is not yet implemented but planning can still be done.

Monster- 22
3x BF - Qua'lat
2x BF- Sirocco
2X BF Shura
2x BF Bora
3x BF GALE
2x BF BLIZZARD
2X BF ELVEN
2x BF VAYU
1X DAD
2x Dark Grepher


Spell - 9
3x Black Whirlwind
1x ROTA
2x Allure of Darkness
1x Heavy Storm
1x Brain Control
2x DDB

Traps - 9
2x Bottomless
3x Solemn
2x Delta Crow
1x Mirror Force
1x Torrential


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PostSubject: Re: VaYU the BIG FLAG   Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:15 pm

Don't run diabolic/solemn. 2 DDB? Foolish Burial could be of help. Necro Gardna too. Blizzard is not needed in this build. Gorz/Trago/Sangan. Max out Qa'lat and +1 Elfen, you can -1 Lance too.
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PostSubject: Re: VaYU the BIG FLAG   Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:16 pm

ddb? u mean burial from a different dimension. ddb is dark dive bomber. they are different things. this decklist is netdecked from youtube i guess, looks very familiar.
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PostSubject: Re: VaYU the BIG FLAG   Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:21 pm

seriously dun run diabolic. i dun see its point, u got no way to send him back to deck, so use him jus to summon grpher or just to lessen the cards in deck?? since u are running vayu and grepher, can max ur elfens and ur sirocco.
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PostSubject: Re: VaYU the BIG FLAG   Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:35 pm

XiaoCola wrote:
seriously dun run diabolic. i dun see its point, u got no way to send him back to deck, so use him jus to summon grpher or just to lessen the cards in deck?? since u are running vayu and grepher, can max ur elfens and ur sirocco.

what has using diabolic have anything to do with sending it to the deck? i dont think u shd max elfen or sirroco, too many dead draws. however, i do think that if u run diabolic and grepher, u shd add 1 zombie carrier.

anyway heres the link from youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V81AVNC5pFE&feature=channel_page
and u should also notice that in this vid,the concept of using vayu is good on paper, but it isnt really that practical, considering that in the 2 duels, that vayu combo wasnt even used
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PostSubject: Re: VaYU the BIG FLAG   Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:41 pm

DDB in main deck is obviously different dimension burial. DDB in extra deck is dark dive.
I haven;t watch the utube video.

Solemn is a good trap la, if there;s a better substitute can tell me?
Diabolic and Vayu for graveyard controll.
can rate the new deck now?
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PostSubject: Re: VaYU the BIG FLAG   Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:42 pm

sinstudent wrote:
what has using diabolic have anything to do with sending it to the deck? i dont think u shd max elfen or sirroco, too many dead draws.

He could find another alternative.
but wad i meant with Diabolic is that wad do he plan to use it with? he can only use with gerpher and only summon 1 more diabolic then it is the end for it. he cannot use it animore.maybe he only plan to use it once. i dunno larh.
Btw, elfen and sirroco isnt really dead draw. elfen can be norm summon when have bf, whihc high chance have. and Sirroco is to fill up field when nothing on it.
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PostSubject: Re: VaYU the BIG FLAG   Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:49 pm

Elven is not a dead draw but sirrocco is, only if u get it on 1st turn.
I remove diabolic I put it in my buster deck instead.
is 1 burial enough? if I put 2 I'm afraid it will slows the deck down
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PostSubject: Re: VaYU the BIG FLAG   Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:18 pm

L0KI wrote:
DDB in main deck is obviously different dimension burial. DDB in extra deck is dark dive.
I haven;t watch the utube video.

Solemn is a good trap la, if there;s a better substitute can tell me?
Diabolic and Vayu for graveyard controll.
can rate the new deck now?

Solemn can be useful but not in this deck. It's meant to be fast correct? You need more room for other stuff already, you have only 9 spells. -.- Anyway if you want to pay 4k lp and let your opponent OTK you easier then go ahead, run 3 Solemn.

Diabolic and Vayu for graveyard control? What can you control with diabolic? Vayu's effect requires a BF non-tuner monster. Diabolic is just useless, unless you wanna synchro a 8 or 9 star out with Gale/Blizzard (a waste, honestly). And btw, run 2 burial and run Gardna. Seriously. Gardna will help out this deck in both protection and as an extra target for Grepher.

Example: Dump Elfen, special summon Grepher, drop Vayu/Gardna to dump a Vayu/Gardna in grave. Depends on what you have in hand, if you discard Vayu then dump Gardna and vice versa. You have played against Lightlords correct? You should know how irritating multiple Gardna are.
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PostSubject: Re: VaYU the BIG FLAG   Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:59 pm

Maelstrom wrote:
L0KI wrote:
DDB in main deck is obviously different dimension burial. DDB in extra deck is dark dive.
I haven;t watch the utube video.

Solemn is a good trap la, if there;s a better substitute can tell me?
Diabolic and Vayu for graveyard controll.
can rate the new deck now?

Solemn can be useful but not in this deck. It's meant to be fast correct? You need more room for other stuff already, you have only 9 spells. -.- Anyway if you want to pay 4k lp and let your opponent OTK you easier then go ahead, run 3 Solemn.

Diabolic and Vayu for graveyard control? What can you control with diabolic? Vayu's effect requires a BF non-tuner monster. Diabolic is just useless, unless you wanna synchro a 8 or 9 star out with Gale/Blizzard (a waste, honestly). And btw, run 2 burial and run Gardna. Seriously. Gardna will help out this deck in both protection and as an extra target for Grepher.

Example: Dump Elfen, special summon Grepher, drop Vayu/Gardna to dump a Vayu/Gardna in grave. Depends on what you have in hand, if you discard Vayu then dump Gardna and vice versa. You have played against Lightlords correct? You should know how irritating multiple Gardna are.

i seriously dont understand your mentality of 'solemn is a good trap, so must put'. .
means exodia set is a good monster,cos if u draw 5 in first turn, its an FTK!!!! SO MUST PUT IN DECK
yes gardna is too strong lol! Imo diabolic is just for ddb shooting. not much opp to synchro with it.
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PostSubject: Re: VaYU the BIG FLAG   Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:07 pm

sinstudent wrote:
Maelstrom wrote:
L0KI wrote:
DDB in main deck is obviously different dimension burial. DDB in extra deck is dark dive.
I haven;t watch the utube video.

Solemn is a good trap la, if there;s a better substitute can tell me?
Diabolic and Vayu for graveyard controll.
can rate the new deck now?

Solemn can be useful but not in this deck. It's meant to be fast correct? You need more room for other stuff already, you have only 9 spells. -.- Anyway if you want to pay 4k lp and let your opponent OTK you easier then go ahead, run 3 Solemn.

Diabolic and Vayu for graveyard control? What can you control with diabolic? Vayu's effect requires a BF non-tuner monster. Diabolic is just useless, unless you wanna synchro a 8 or 9 star out with Gale/Blizzard (a waste, honestly). And btw, run 2 burial and run Gardna. Seriously. Gardna will help out this deck in both protection and as an extra target for Grepher.

Example: Dump Elfen, special summon Grepher, drop Vayu/Gardna to dump a Vayu/Gardna in grave. Depends on what you have in hand, if you discard Vayu then dump Gardna and vice versa. You have played against Lightlords correct? You should know how irritating multiple Gardna are.

i seriously dont understand your mentality of 'solemn is a good trap, so must put'. .
means exodia set is a good monster,cos if u draw 5 in first turn, its an FTK!!!! SO MUST PUT IN DECK
yes gardna is too strong lol! Imo diabolic is just for ddb shooting. not much opp to synchro with it.

forgot about gardna, but its kinda slow. Solemn help me a lot before to finish opponent and to defend from irritating spell and traps in which cold wave cannot do. Exodia is useless lah, so if I play gardna no need qualat?
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PostSubject: Re: VaYU the BIG FLAG   Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:33 pm

L0KI wrote:
sinstudent wrote:
Maelstrom wrote:
L0KI wrote:
DDB in main deck is obviously different dimension burial. DDB in extra deck is dark dive.
I haven;t watch the utube video.

Solemn is a good trap la, if there;s a better substitute can tell me?
Diabolic and Vayu for graveyard controll.
can rate the new deck now?

Solemn can be useful but not in this deck. It's meant to be fast correct? You need more room for other stuff already, you have only 9 spells. -.- Anyway if you want to pay 4k lp and let your opponent OTK you easier then go ahead, run 3 Solemn.

Diabolic and Vayu for graveyard control? What can you control with diabolic? Vayu's effect requires a BF non-tuner monster. Diabolic is just useless, unless you wanna synchro a 8 or 9 star out with Gale/Blizzard (a waste, honestly). And btw, run 2 burial and run Gardna. Seriously. Gardna will help out this deck in both protection and as an extra target for Grepher.

Example: Dump Elfen, special summon Grepher, drop Vayu/Gardna to dump a Vayu/Gardna in grave. Depends on what you have in hand, if you discard Vayu then dump Gardna and vice versa. You have played against Lightlords correct? You should know how irritating multiple Gardna are.

i seriously dont understand your mentality of 'solemn is a good trap, so must put'. .
means exodia set is a good monster,cos if u draw 5 in first turn, its an FTK!!!! SO MUST PUT IN DECK
yes gardna is too strong lol! Imo diabolic is just for ddb shooting. not much opp to synchro with it.

forgot about gardna, but its kinda slow. Solemn help me a lot before to finish opponent and to defend from irritating spell and traps in which cold wave cannot do. Exodia is useless lah, so if I play gardna no need qualat?

Even though solemns are slow, it's good to run it because it can counter quite a lot of stuff. Unless of course, you are aiming for FTK instead of OTK.
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PostSubject: Re: VaYU the BIG FLAG   Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:53 pm

If you really want to run Solemn I can't stop you, but that makes Gardna somewhat a necessity. And no, Qa'lat can still be run in 2s. It is NOT slow, trust me. It just goes too well with Vayu and Grepher... Are lightlords slow just because they run Gardna? Will Gardna slow them down? No. Plus you can reuse Gardna with Burial from D.D.
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PostSubject: Re: VaYU the BIG FLAG   Tue Apr 14, 2009 11:09 pm

Agree I think I'll try gardna, is 2 gardna enuf or put 3?
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PostSubject: Re: VaYU the BIG FLAG   Tue Apr 14, 2009 11:15 pm

Maelstrom wrote:
If you really want to run Solemn I can't stop you, but that makes Gardna somewhat a necessity. And no, Qa'lat can still be run in 2s. It is NOT slow, trust me. It just goes too well with Vayu and Grepher... Are lightlords slow just because they run Gardna? Will Gardna slow them down? No. Plus you can reuse Gardna with Burial from D.D.

i think u cant compare gardna in lightlord like that. do keep in mind that lightlords mill them to the grave. bf doesnt have the milling ability, therefore if it gets in ur hand always without any grepher, then ouch, its slow. besides, lightlords have lumina to discard gardna to the grave/monster reincarnation..blah blah...bf only has grepher. thats why speed wise, i still think using the regular bf build is better than adding diabolic/vayu/burial..

just my humble opinion....
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PostSubject: Re: VaYU the BIG FLAG   Tue Apr 14, 2009 11:50 pm

My current BF deck is pure BF and guess wat, it has a high chance of getting owned by beast-synchro, buster and many more even my arcana world can ocassionally skip my pure BF deck, with the release of Vayu, I thnk I cn giv it a try whether its good or not?
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PostSubject: Re: VaYU the BIG FLAG   Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:08 pm

dun play gardna too slow le. u can onli discard it via dark grepher while in lightlord deck u can have lots of ways to discard gardna and even so, it may oso be a dead draw in a lightlord deck
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PostSubject: Re: VaYU the BIG FLAG   Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:01 pm

Yes I know but since Vayu itself is already not that consistent/fast, adding Gardna won't hurt. Then again, it's all a matter of opinion. I think Gardna will help, it hasn't been tested yet but until it has been, it's all up to preference.
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PostSubject: Re: VaYU the BIG FLAG   Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:14 am

is Vayu the level 1 tuner that sync's from the grave for the blackwings
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