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PostSubject: Gladiator Beast Darius   Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:25 pm

《剣闘獣(グラディアルビースト)ダリウス/Gladiator Beast Darius》
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このカードが「剣闘獣」と名のついたモンスターの効果によって特殊召喚に成功した時、
自分の墓地から「剣闘獣」と名のついたモンスター1体を選択し、
自分フィールド上に特殊召喚する事ができる。
この効果で特殊召喚したモンスターの効果は無効化され、
このカードがフィールド上から離れた時自分のデッキに戻す。
このカードが戦闘を行ったバトルフェイズ終了時にこのカードをデッキに戻す事で、
デッキから「剣闘獣ダリウス」以外の「剣闘獣」と名のついたモンスター1体を
自分フィールド上に特殊召喚する。

i cant read those damn jap language..
but i gt one qns to ask...

GB special summoned by darius effects are negated rite?
but can the monsters(called by darius) return to deck after attacking?
as shuffling back to deck is a cost, so can the GB eg laquari returns back to deck to call out another??
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PostSubject: Re: Gladiator Beast Darius   Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:44 pm

GLADIATOR BEAST DARIUS
The "Gladiator Beast" monster Special Summoned by "Gladiator Beast Darius" is continually targeted by its effect.

Returning the Special Summoned "Gladiator Beast" monster to the Deck does not start a Chain.

If the Special Summoned "Gladiator Beast" attacks or is attacked, it can be returned to the Deck to activate its effect, but the effect will be negated by "Gladiator Beast Darius".

While "Skill Drain" is active, if "Gladiator Beast Darius" is removed from the field, the Special Summoned "Gladiator Beast" monster will remain on the field. If the Special Summoned "Gladiator Beast" monster attacks or is attacked, and it is returned to the Deck to activate its effect, the effect will not be negated because "Gladiator Beast Darius'" effects are being negated by "Skill Drain".

When "Gladiator Beast Darius" is flipped face-down, its effect disappears and the effects of the Special Summoned "Gladiator Beast" monster are no longer negated. If "Gladiator Beast Darius" is removed from the field while face-down, the Special Summoned "Gladiator Beast" monster will not be returned to the Deck.

If "Bottomless Trap Hole" is chained when "Gladiator Beast Darius" is Special Summoned and activates its effect, the selected "Gladiator Beast" monster is still Special Summoned and its effects are negated.

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PostSubject: Re: Gladiator Beast Darius   Thu Oct 02, 2008 11:15 pm

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《剣闘獣(グラディアルビースト)ダリウス/Gladiator Beast Darius》
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星4/地属性/獣戦士族/攻1700/守 300
このカードが「剣闘獣」と名のついたモンスターの効果によって特殊召喚に成功した時、
自分の墓地から「剣闘獣」と名のついたモンスター1体を選択し、
自分フィールド上に特殊召喚する事ができる。
この効果で特殊召喚したモンスターの効果は無効化され、
このカードがフィールド上から離れた時自分のデッキに戻す。
このカードが戦闘を行ったバトルフェイズ終了時にこのカードをデッキに戻す事で、
デッキから「剣闘獣ダリウス」以外の「剣闘獣」と名のついたモンスター1体を
自分フィールド上に特殊召喚する。

If I am not wrong, this is the text on the card. I will do a translation on what I understood from the card.

When this card is special summoned via an effect of Gladial Beast, you may select a Gladial Beast and special summoned it to your side of the field. The special summoned monster has its effect negated and when this card leaves the field, return that card back to the deck. At the end of the battle phase where this card battles, you may return this card to the deck to special one Gladial Beast except Gladial Beast Darius from your deck.

lingbu wrote:

i cant read those damn jap language..
but i gt one qns to ask...

GB special summoned by darius effects are negated rite?
but can the monsters(called by darius) return to deck after attacking?
as shuffling back to deck is a cost, so can the GB eg laquari returns back to deck to call out another??

The translation says it all. Keyword is bold.
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PostSubject: Re: Gladiator Beast Darius   Thu Oct 02, 2008 11:40 pm

Put it simple,the effect of the gbeast being called out will stills be negated by darius's effect whether darius is or is not on the field .


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PostSubject: Re: Gladiator Beast Darius   Thu Oct 02, 2008 11:45 pm

i tink jess has covered mostly but eg darius call back laquari.
laquari attacks, after battle phase, can laquari returns for another GB?
or just laquari returns but nth comes out.
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PostSubject: Re: Gladiator Beast Darius   Thu Oct 02, 2008 11:50 pm

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i tink jess has covered mostly but eg darius call back laquari.
laquari attacks, after battle phase, can laquari returns for another GB?
or just laquari returns but nth comes out.

Err.. i think you dont get it completely.

I try explain from your this question ^^"
-Darius called back Laquari
-Laquari attacks
-At the end of battle phrase,Laquari triggering its effect to return into deck.
-Darius negate the triggered effect of Laquari

^^" hope you understands le.. I know its kind of complicated when encountering it first few time ^^"...
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PostSubject: Re: Gladiator Beast Darius   Thu Oct 02, 2008 11:54 pm

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Err.. i think you dont get it completely.

I try explain from your this question ^^"
-Darius called back Laquari
-Laquari attacks
-At the end of battle phrase,Laquari triggering its effect to return into deck.
-Darius negate the triggered effect of Laquari

^^" hope you understands le.. I know its kind of complicated when encountering it first few time ^^"...

Actually, not only that triggered effect is negated. The first effect of a gladial beast (When this card is special summoned through an effect of a Gladial Beast) is also being negated. =)
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PostSubject: Re: Gladiator Beast Darius   Thu Oct 02, 2008 11:55 pm

Opps.. Sorry to mention that.

Thx for adding it sp1nn3r ^^"..

Because i was answering on the part - LingBu 's question ma.. Which thus,neglecting the explanation on the earlier part as He said Je$$ has covered most of it..^^"..

Well, its better to repeat and make it clearer. =) thx again.


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PostSubject: Re: Gladiator Beast Darius   Thu Oct 02, 2008 11:56 pm

I thought I answered his question, guess I wasn't clear enough.
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PostSubject: Re: Gladiator Beast Darius   Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:03 am

KK now i noe that darius effect negates the GB totally so nth comes out.

cos i seen players calling out the super big tiger and use its effect to negate trap and magics!!

they oso use big bird effect's to return to deck, but they didnt use 1st effect to destroy cards la thats for sure...
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PostSubject: Re: Gladiator Beast Darius   Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:08 am

lingbu wrote:
KK now i noe that darius effect negates the GB totally so nth comes out.

cos i seen players calling out the super big tiger and use its effect to negate trap and magics!!

they oso use big bird effect's to return to deck, but they didnt use 1st effect to destroy cards la thats for sure...

Nothing wrong with those.
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PostSubject: Re: Gladiator Beast Darius   Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:10 am

i mean using DARIUS effect la..
the topic says it all...
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PostSubject: Re: Gladiator Beast Darius   Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:12 am

I think he was refering that Heraklinos was called out by Darius effect And people is using heraklinos effect negating magic and traps.

Err.. sorry, didnt read carefully. He post his question, i answered lo =x - the laquari question..
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PostSubject: Re: Gladiator Beast Darius   Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:15 am

cos they argued that oonli when the moment darius call out their effect is negated, but after that u can use effect wor...
so i ask here..
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PostSubject: Re: Gladiator Beast Darius   Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:16 am

Obviously cannot. It is always negated until Darius turns face down or something to that effect.

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PostSubject: Re: Gladiator Beast Darius   Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:22 am

until darius turned face down!!!

cool book of moon darius!!!
herakanos!! duno how to spell!!!

big bird bird!!
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PostSubject: Re: Gladiator Beast Darius   Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:27 am

Didnt you like just praised jess' post? It did contained...

[quote]When "Gladiator Beast Darius" is flipped face-down, its effect disappears and the effects of the Special Summoned "Gladiator Beast" monster are no longer negated. If "Gladiator Beast Darius" is removed from the field while face-down, the Special Summoned "Gladiator Beast" monster will not be returned to the Deck.[\quote]

You mean you didnt notice it until Baha said it?
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PostSubject: Re: Gladiator Beast Darius   Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:29 am

ya.
y?
i didnt read carefully
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PostSubject: Re: Gladiator Beast Darius   Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:32 am

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Obviously cannot. It is always negated until Darius turns face down or something to that effect.

Bahamut : zzZzz you ask me answer to the point, no more no less -.-"
what you doing ah..? :p j/k

Lingbu: book of moon? It depends on the timing.. ^^"...
nevermind, let bahamut explained if have query ....
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PostSubject: Re: Gladiator Beast Darius   Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:00 pm

Darius has a simple ruling. When its face up, the targetted GB's effect is negated. When its turned face down, wala! the GB special summoned will have its effect.

The GB special summoned by Darius can be return to deck because its a cost to return to a deck. It never said that the GB "return to deck" effect cannot be activated. So as a cost it returns to the deck and special summons the gb, with its effect negated by Darius as usual.
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PostSubject: Re: Gladiator Beast Darius   Sat Oct 04, 2008 12:27 am

ah....? means can xchange thw slave monster for a beasteri?
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PostSubject: Re: Gladiator Beast Darius   Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:38 pm

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ah....? means can xchange thw slave monster for a beasteri?


Are you asking 'can the monster being called by darius' be return by slave tiger/test tiger effect?

Answer : yes you can.

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The GB special summoned by Darius can be return to deck because its a cost to return to a deck. It never said that the GB "return to deck" effect cannot be activated. So as a cost it returns to the deck and special summons the gb, with its effect negated by Darius as usual.

Ron : If you activate "Gladiator beast" effect, it will be shuffled into the Deck, but when its effect resolves it will not Special Summon a "Gladiator Beast" monster because its effect is negated by "Gladiator Beast Darius".

^^".. is similar to ->Gladiator Beast Being Divine Wrath Or Being Doom Calibur Knight.
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PostSubject: Re: Gladiator Beast Darius   Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:22 pm

um no.i was asking can the monster summoned by darius be changed for another gb from the deck? i shouldnt have used the word "slave"

i thought that since the gb no longer on the field,darius canot affect it and it can summon another gb. (ya its wrong)
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PostSubject: Re: Gladiator Beast Darius   Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:32 pm

Darius negates the gb when its on the field. Correct? o_O
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PostSubject: Re: Gladiator Beast Darius   Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:38 am

i believe he is saying that it will be negated even if the gb is in the deck? or i misinterpreted?
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PostSubject: Re: Gladiator Beast Darius   Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:57 am

Err.. guys ^^" .

The effect for the Gbeast will stills be negated if the gbeast is in deck/field/grave. UnLeSs things like 'book of moon' reset the darius's effect.
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PostSubject: Re: Gladiator Beast Darius   Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:39 am

let say i special summon darius via a gbeast effect, and its effect activate to grab a beasteri to the field.

chain 1-target beasteri
chain 2-Book of moon on darius

when it resolve, do beasteri get effect to destroy a M/T card?
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PostSubject: Re: Gladiator Beast Darius   Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:41 am

MYultimate wrote:
let say i special summon darius via a gbeast effect, and its effect activate to grab a beasteri to the field.

chain 1-target beasteri
chain 2-Book of moon on darius

when it resolve, do beasteri get effect to destroy a M/T card?

Yes it does.
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PostSubject: Re: Gladiator Beast Darius   Mon Oct 06, 2008 3:31 pm

Better still, pull a Gyzarus and we all know what happens.
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PostSubject: Re: Gladiator Beast Darius   Wed May 12, 2010 6:42 pm

sry to pull out this thread, but 1 question related to darius therefore i decided to get this thread back.

i understand that the monster summon by darius will have effect activated if book of moon is used on darius, but we change a scenario of activating book of moon/Bottomless on the special summoned gb instead. Will it b negated by darius.

What I feel is that gb that is summoned by darius would haf its effect negated even if its send back to deck to activate its effect. So in the case of book of moon or bottomless, it should be the same ending, NEGATED because darius negates e effect regardless where the monster is. Please prove me wrong X-]

To further elebrate it.

1. Summon Darius via another gb
2. Activate Effect pull out bestari
3. Bestari activates effect
4. Chain icarus, tribute bestari to grave
5. Destroy 2 cards via icarus
6. Bestari activate effect destroy. <------------- True/False
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PostSubject: Re: Gladiator Beast Darius   Wed May 12, 2010 8:55 pm

taken fro pojo:
as long as he remains face up on the field with the Special Summoned GB:
- The Continuous Effect(s) of the GB that he Special Summoned is negated. (Laquiri does not gain 300 ATK.)
- Any effects that the monster may have that activate on the field are negated. (Secutor's Special Summoning 2 GBs, Samnite adding a GB to hand will be negated, all GB tag outs, etc. will be negated.)
- Any effects that activate off the field will not be negated. (Subject to be updated: There currently doesn't exist any GB eff of this nature).
If the GB that Darius Special Summoned is flipped face down, it will no longer have its effects negated. If Darius is flipped face down, the monster's effects will not be negated.

If Darius is not face-up on the field when his effect resolves (e.g. Mirror of Oaths is Chained to his effect), the targeted GB monster is still Special Summoned and its effects are not negated.

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PostSubject: Re: Gladiator Beast Darius   Thu May 13, 2010 12:25 am

wingwing98 wrote:

- Any effects that activate off the field will not be negated. (Subject to be updated: There currently doesn't exist any GB eff of this nature).

Tagging out is a cost, therefore the gb special summon by darius will not be on e field to be negated. But e rule is they cannot tag out which also means their effects r negated. So somehow it contridict the following stance.
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PostSubject: Re: Gladiator Beast Darius   Thu May 13, 2010 12:32 am

the one negated by darius still can tag out,but when special summon another gb the effect will negate. DArius's effect simply negate that monster slot as long as darius is face up

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PostSubject: Re: Gladiator Beast Darius   Thu May 13, 2010 2:00 am

je$$ wrote:
the one negated by darius still can tag out,but when special summon another gb the effect will negate. DArius's effect simply negate that monster slot as long as darius is face up

oh, all along i thot the gb special summon by darius couldn even tag for another monster.
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PostSubject: Re: Gladiator Beast Darius   Thu May 13, 2010 9:45 pm

taken from http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Gladiator_Beast_Darius
If the Special Summoned "Gladiator Beast" attacks or is attacked, it can be returned to the Deck to activate its effect, but the effect will be negated by "Gladiator Beast Darius"http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Gladiator_Beast_Darius

tagging is a cost to activate the effect which Special Summons another "Gladiator Beast" monster from your Deck.

hence for darius case, you can still tag the monster special summoned by darius, that monster stays in the deck and nothing comes out.
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